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"Wiccan symbol OK for soldiers' graves"

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Apr. 23rd, 2007 | 04:55 pm
posted by: urbandelirium in pagan_articles


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[ spirit in the wires ]

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from: urbandelirium
date: Apr. 24th, 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)

I'm not sure if you mean it in this way, but I can see how it would be a bad thing to have someone representing a belief or movement. What you said reminds me of how certain religious groups have taken over tragedies to represent there own causes, despite how those actually involved with the person/event feel.

Particularly the anti-gay movement in America where tragedies are seen as acts of God. (Va Tech and Matthew Shepard come to mind)

That being said, I'm still very happy that people fought for the right to have this symbol available for soldiers.

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ennui is for suckers

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from: t3dy
date: Apr. 25th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC)

good causes need symbols (and heroes make great symbols--inscribed in the social flesh of the polis). nothing "american" about that. (though the world has reasons to laugh at our cult of celebrity, a different matter) war heroes get appropriated. nothing new about that, nothing intrinsically disrespectful about it (of course, there are limits). if we get ticked off about the sick assholes that say things like that about Matthew Sheppard, we should be upset for a different reason (righteously indignant, in fact)

it was a terrible injustice that anybody of any religion couldn't bury their dead in a country that not only prizes freedom, but also feels justified when it pushes freedom on other natures because of the alleged intrinsic goodness of freedom. our soldiers died in a cause they felt was responding to a similar outrage, so it's especially fucked up that we don't treat our own war dead with respect (until now, for the minority of neopagans that identify as wiccan at least).

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from: catsnstuff
date: Apr. 26th, 2007 09:12 pm (UTC)

Ugh, like that horrible Phelps family and their Westboro baptist church.

Yeah, definitely a bad thing. I guess I was also talking about more "positive" uses of people's images as a strange thing. I'm probably just completely babbling, though - every time I've come back to try and formulate what I mean, it doesn't quite work. *grin* Perhaps what t3dy said about people as symbols - when people's faces and lives are used like that, re-interpreted for those who don't know them as symbols of something, not as themselves any more. It must be strange enough for the living, who get to respond to their use as such things. The dead don't even get that option. And when they're ordinary people, not people who have sought out the limelight (presidents, movie stars, etc.), I guess I wonder what they'd make of it all.

Heh, which I guess puts this clearly into personal hang-up zone and out of the "useful for Pagan discussion" arena. ;)

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